tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8381613.post5114029919199388872..comments2023-04-03T19:10:54.088-04:00Comments on Critiques Of Libertarianism: Musings...Mike Hubenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01371469964446567690noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8381613.post-63751872749859292182013-01-27T21:15:57.522-05:002013-01-27T21:15:57.522-05:00Interestingly, and I would be surprised if you'...Interestingly, and I would be surprised if you've never had this discussion, I have been told that civil rights, child labor reform and most of the other progress we've seen through government action really were created by the free-market and that mass movements and government had nothing to do with them.<br />There is an entire industry on the right (conservatives and libertarians) feeding them false history, economics, politics and so on. All the worse because the ideologues really believe THAT is the truth, and actual, academic material is the revisionism. It's almost as though they live in a parallel world.Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16891799861827800208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8381613.post-22783598564246585542012-11-12T11:41:35.113-05:002012-11-12T11:41:35.113-05:00The rich are seldom libertarian or anything else: ...The rich are seldom libertarian or anything else: they are mostly aristocratic. That means using others as cats paws in the stuggles to stay on top of the heap.<br /><br />Right-libertarianism is particularly vulnerable to exploitation this way. Primarily because it has no source of cohesion except the rich, and because it has been shaped for generations by the propaganda financed by the rich that glorifies the rich. They are mostly incapable of thinking outside of the propaganda that has been the air they breathe since their teens.<br /><br />Very few libertarian ideologues have felt the oppression routinely felt by women and minorities. They think entrepreneurship is the solution to oppression by bosses, when all it does is give them a chance to be the oppressor. That's why the civil rights movement has been one of their great bugaboos: it is a classic example of non-market application of government to relieve widespread oppression.Mike Hubenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01371469964446567690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8381613.post-33301607978421052532012-11-12T11:03:43.652-05:002012-11-12T11:03:43.652-05:00This is interesting. I had a "discussion"...This is interesting. I had a "discussion" with a libertarian a year or so ago where he said that no "rich" people were libertarian. I pointed to both the Kochs and Peter Thiel, and he denied it. He may have been right, more so that I was. All the worse for him, too. <br />As to the point about those who aren't rich, white males, and their not being libertarians, I find that interesting. I have had some discussions (from with libertarianism and without) about that, and most libertarian ideologues really don't get why minority groups don't see the "truth" of libertarianism (sort of like conservatives) and think they've been duped (or worse) by the left. It just never occurs to them that people can see through their shiny bs and can see the real-world of their policies.Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16891799861827800208noreply@blogger.com